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They are trying to stomp streaming.
Music Execs Stressed Over Free Streaming
"At the Digital Music Forum East conference, held Thursday in New York, music industry watchers gathered to puzzle anew over the continuing decline in music sales. 'We have lost 20 million buyers in just five years,' said Russ Crupnick, a president at the analyst firm NPD Group who spoke at the conference. Moreover, only about 14 percent of buyers account for 56 percent of revenue for the recording industry. In years past, the blame was put on digital music piracy. At this year's conference, however, the focus was on free streaming Internet services, such as Pandora, MySpace, Spotify and even YouTube."
http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/02/26/0221242/Music-Execs-Stressed-Over-Free-Streaming
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Should there be general boycott on these people? (drop them from all streaming service and see how far they can go with TV/radio these days. -
Pretty sure Pandora, Spotify and YouTube pay to some extent
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Spotify and Youtube pay per stream, no idea about the Pandora deal though,
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/08/technology/internet/08radio.htmlWebcasters with significant advertising revenue, like Pandora or Slacker, will pay the greater of 25 percent of revenue or a fee each time a listener hears a song, starting at .08 cent for songs streamed in 2006 and increasing to .14 cent in 2015. Pandora had $19 million in revenue last year and expects that to rise to $40 million this year.
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it's gonna be interesting to see what the Kleenex of streaming music (Spotify) does to the US market. it's had different impacts in other countries.... UK folks seem to think it helps drive sales. Sweden it's caused a complete shift to on demand streaming from purchased music... and Spain it has somewhat allowed labels to actually make money once again in a market that was all dried up.i don't think anyone knows what kind of impact but i don't think all labels are worried or they wouldn't have done a deal with Spotify and the like.
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It's hilarious (in a pathetic way) that these big label guys have gone from blaming their ineptitude on piracy and now streaming. These big label guys are clearly lost and trapped back in time when payola actually worked.One commenter to the Slashdot article said:"I guess it boils down to, decisions that the major labels made several years ago to license their music to these streaming services, now seems to be negatively impacting their ability to sell the hot new song of the week. It hurts even more because they no longer can bunch that hot new song with 9 other songs that are even worse.""Bad executive. No more coke and whores for you. And no golden parachute either!"The golden days have been over for these guys for awhile now. The $ profits keep on shrinking and they keep scrambling.On maybe a more positive note, just read this:So, who the fuck knows where this is going? Take out the crystal ball and polish the fuck out of it.
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Since music label doesn't invest on next technology, they are not part of the equation when it comes to how people will listen to recorded music.
Is it smartphone? is it p2p download? is it iTune, tablet, personal computer,... web app, social networking stream, etc.
They don't get to decide.
I am sure somewhere in their office they are still worrying about p2p/napster and how to leverage MySpace, when everybody on the planet wonder if angry bird is overblown and how to prevent Google turning evil with next music store. They are still pinning for the early 90's era and cursing the day students with their modem and 486SX running napster client on campus phone system. That was pre-web html era, people! By the time they have a basic handle on current happening, people would have moved on to dark net build on free wireless. They won't even be able to know what's going on from drip-drip of internet rumor. It's designed specifically to evade surveillance and lawsuit.
Their basic mind set is still how to sell "unit" of music packaged in shiny round plastic, when the money right now is all in "internet experience" (whatever that is)
Thank gawd they don't lead the revolution, otherwise we'll still be sitting on county meeting discussing what sign should be printed on mimeograph pamphlets. Dude, the regime has been toppled and new constitution is being discussed on twitter. stop wasting paper, that mimeograph fume will kill ya.
More importantly, they have NO IDEA how the public mind work. (or more likely has no interest listening to actual music fans have in mind.)
so they are irrelevant. They will be erased from everybody's smartphone bookmark. And that's that.
Probably Citibank will bail them out using public money or something.
fuck off and drop dead.
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Adam, I was at a talk recently with Simon from Beggars saying that you guys earned pretty significant cash from Spotify. I was genuinely surprised, as I've never heard anyone say that they earn anything other than a laughable pittance from them.
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SongbyToad said:
Adam, I was at a talk recently with Simon from Beggars saying that you guys earned pretty significant cash from Spotify. I was genuinely surprised, as I've never heard anyone say that they earn anything other than a laughable pittance from them.
i think it's been surprising for a lot of labels, especially when you look at the shoddy numbers of much more hyped services. i think it's why labels want to make real deals with them.it's very interesting right now re: all the new services coming up and how folks like Clearchannel are buying technology that may enable subscription services.who knows where it will lead but it's not something you can probably fight in hopes the status quo returns.see SQUASHED... label guy have idea how Internet make works. -
Leftöver Crack - "Clear Channel (Fuck Off)"
The Sovereign Insincerity The monopoly of greed
Nickleback, POD, Rancid, Britany and Creed
The Bureaucrats they leech upon to mediocre trends
Your song in heavy rotation from the cash your label spends
From the products you promote for the ones who foot the bill
A Prefabricated goose-step for the pockets that you fill
The monotony of censored products shine in the display
The same old song of compromise went platinum today.
From town to town and state to state
The same old song you love to hate
The same shit stacked upon your plate
rotate again & syndicate
We've been waiting far too long
to change the band, to change the song
through every day from dusk till dawn
We've been brainwashed to sing along
No difference between the hot new single
the Pepsi ads commercial jingle
The beauty's withered faded crinkle
Just sip the coke and pop the pringle
THe boardroom is the dragons lair
They play us shit 'cuz they dont care
The clearest channel plays unfair
& we all want you off the air
Overdose on shoddy culture; mediocre trends
Auto-Tune the bottom line as a mean to meet the ends
Merging corporate empires create the ill conglomerations
and buy up to reprogram major market radio stations
Fabricate one single voice broadcast from sea to sea
What once held notions of change and choice is now being controlled fully
Deregulations raised the edge of expolitations bar
Politics replaced by "bling" and clothes and fancy cars
Trapped imaginations from the video's blinding light
Bombarded with monotony that captivates the sight
The channel we've been tuned to is all frigid, blank and clear
Told what to eat and drink and buy and whom to hate and fear
POisoned by the fairy-tale, A capitalistic dream
Go to sleep, You're free and brave, and on the winning team -
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Last I heard Spotify was still a long way off in the US. Do you have an inside scoop, Adam?
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Radio station owner Clear Channel Radio said Tuesday that it will buy
part of digital music company Thumbplay Inc. so that its listeners can
stream more music over the Internet using computers and smart phones.
http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9LMO5UG0.htm
will listeners care? (see microsoft zune, except worst. where exactly are they going to stream to? google and apple will make sure they can't get on smartphone. ...ooooh, I know. Nokia..)
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NEW YORK, Feb 17 (IFR) - Clear Channel tapped the market
Tuesday afternoon with a USD1bn 10-year non-call five priority
guaranteed notes offering as part of the company's balance
sheet management plan. The deal, which was upsized from USD750m, priced at 9% at
par, compared to guidance of 8.75%-9% via Goldman Sachs,
Citigroup, Credit Suisse, Deutsche Bank, Morgan Stanley, RBS
and Wells Fargo joint books.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/17/markets-uscorpbonds-idUSN1714386120110217
LOL. it's the same idiots everywhere. Wait until the entire internet hears this shit. It'll be the next MySpace or circuit city's DIVX. Brown Zune.
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ICE uses wide set of tools to hunt for media pirates
If you’re rebroadcasting copyrighted video streams how will the
authorities ever track you down? Well it looks like you don’t even need
to be the content originator, and they’ll track you down because you
didn’t really cover your tracks in the first place. [Brian McCarthy]
found this out the hard way when his domain name was seized by Immigrations and Customs Enforcement earlier this year.So how did they find him? They started by getting the records from
the domain name registrar. He had used an alias instead of his real name
so the next step in the investigation was to get a name from Comcast to
go with the IP which had logged into the name registrar’s interface.
They matched the Comcast account holder’s home address with the one
given during domain registration, then matched the Gmail account
registration infor from the registrar to the same person. The final
piece of the puzzle was to stake out his house (no kidding) to confirm
that [Brian] lived at the address uncovered by investigators.ICE really went the whole nine yards. Especially if consider that the
website they seized provided links to copyrighted media but didn’t
actually host any of it. Nonetheless, [Brian] could find himself
spending five years in the clink… ouch.
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"The NWO are going to use every tool possible to track your every movement on this planet."
"Theres no running away, just watch yourself"
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Spotify Cracks the Million-User CeilingThat's according to Spotify - 1 Million paid subscribers out of 10 Million users.Trying to up the hype for their US launch and take on Rhapsody?I don't know, 10% paid subscribers seems pretty weak to me and doesn't really seem to qualify as hype?
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White House Wants New Copyright Law Crackdown
"The White House is concerned that "illegal streaming of content" may
not be covered by criminal law, saying "questions have arisen about
whether streaming constitutes the distribution of copyrighted works." To
resolve that ambiguity, it wants a new law to "clarify that infringement by streaming, or by means of other similar new technology, is a felony in appropriate circumstances.""
http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/03/16/1441221/White-House-Wants-New-Copyright-Law-Crackdown#comments
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It is WAY past time to start thinking about internet that can't be shut down people. This is getting more and more critical by day.
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New Law Will Shut Down TorrentFreak, Music Industry Expert Says
TorrentFreak will soon cease to exist because of new legislation being
considered by the Obama administration, a prominent music industry
expert has announced. But we’re in good company. Music streaming service
Grooveshark and the RIAA-approved iMesh will have to go too, and news
sites like Wired, Techdirt and Slashdot will have to change their tune
drastically so as not to upset the battered music industry.
Last week the White House published
a white paper with several recommendations on how to make copyright law
compliant with the digital age. Among other things, it suggests
classifying unauthorized streaming of copyrighted material as a felony
and to allow for wiretaps in copyright related cases.The white paper along with its potential impact has since been widely
discussed in the media, but apparently only a select few have the
capacity to properly assess the consequences of an eventual change in
copyright law. Music industry expert, book author and Grammy winner Moses Avalon is one of them.“Here’s one story you won’t see going viral on a geek blog near you:
the Obama administration is going to make torrent streaming, also known
as P2P sharing of music, a felony,” Avalon wrote – four days after we
covered the news.Being the music industry and copyright expert he is, Avalon carefully
explains how the White House recommendations will change the Internet
as we know it. Not only will unauthorized streaming of copyrighted
material become a felony, new legislation will also shutter legal music
services that rely on P2P technology, and news sites that dare to
mention the P word in public.http://torrentfreak.com/new-law-will-shut-down-torrentfreak-music-industry-expert-says-110322/
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A felony. If they enforce that bloggerin' be trippin.
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Everybody will simply put their server inside Tor cloud. Blog will become mere link pointer. Same difference.
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http://arstechnica.com/media/news/2011/03/music-industry-will-force-licenses-on-amazon-cloud-playeror-else.arsMusic industry will force licenses on Amazon Cloud Player—or else
Amazon v. the music industry
Amazon launched two new services, Cloud Drive and Cloud Player,
earlier this week. US-based Amazon customers can get free online storage
from Amazon to use for whatever they please, but users are heavily
encouraged to upload their local music libraries. All Amazon MP3
purchases are automatically synced to the user's Cloud Drive without
counting against the quota, too. Once the music is copied to the remote
drive, users can then use the Cloud Player Android or Web app to stream
the music to any compatible device or browser, even if the files
themselves had not been synced there.Both Apple and Google are expected to launch very similar services in the future, but neither has made an announcement. Google's music service
is rumored to offer both music downloads and streams to go with its own
digital locker—the service would scan a user's computer and
automatically add any tracks that Google has licensed to that user's
online locker. Apple's may involve
unlimited music redownloads and streams to iOS devices as part of a
MobileMe revamp, and Apple is currently believed to be in talks with the
Big Four music labels—Sony Music, Universal Music Group (UMG), Warner
Music Group (WMG), and EMI—to make it happen.--------------------
For an industry that is shrinking and dying, these people sure got plenty of attitude.I am not sure why they just don't get together and device a plan to permanently kill all big labels. WMG, Sony, UMG. It'll be so much easier, cheaper than putting up with it.
Plenty of people want them die and knows how to do it.
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Seriously google. For the number of phds you have in your office, you sure make pathetic business strategy and tactic.
Where is my cool new internet music?
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Man, the labels are out of touch. The amazon thing is nothing but a hardrive I'm using over at Amazon for mp3s I bought. It pushes & loves & supports BUYING music through amazon. Hey labels, maybe you should just be happy.
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I mean seriously. I thought Google is suppose to be good at observing internet information. they should have known they can do whatever they want and make the big label begs instead.
eg. iTune top 10. I think that covers huge chunk of their sale.
All are basic recycle house and lousy hip-hop remix. Jennifer Lopez? It's pure packaging. If google controls android/smartphone front page, they can recreate this exact same "sound" but cooler and hipper. (eg. it's a question of packaging and hyping them) There are thousands of hungry sound producer in NY alone that can do JeLo sound for pennies before lunch.
etc.
http://www.apple.com/euro/itunes/charts/top10songs.html
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Same with the rest of music. 80% of popular item are pure crap. A dime a dozen. They are redo/remix of old material that people are familiar with. packaging and presentation. You don't need major labels to fill up digital store.
find the target audience and get 20-30 albums to fit their profile each. You got yourself a hip music store. fill details later.
If the object is to make gajillion bucks, by controlling android screen alone can bring more money than entire big labels combined using less than 1000 albums. 80% pop music is in packaging and delivery.
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I have to agree, labels should keep their fingers out of this one. If you've bought the mp3 then you should be able to play it to yourself however you want without any more fees. The fact that they want to be paid by Amazon rather than the end user makes no difference - Amazon would just have to pass the cost along.Soundcloud (which I adore) should, however, be paying some streaming fees. I've heard rumblings that they are close to some deals. I'm a little surprised they've got away without paying fees for so long.
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Amazon knows internet retail more than anybody else in the world. (eg. they can tell trend and public buying mood. who is buying which mp3, what gadget sells, what type of people, down to zip code and hour of the day.)
So, all they have to do is look at their database, and see how to fuck the big label the most. Reducing sale so fast, the big label will have immediate spreadsheet problem while the impact on amazon bottom line in the short run is minimal.
eg. make sure all barely profitable albums suddenly bleeding money profusely, while the top selling CD suddenly are out of stock and only available in mp3 format. Play with release date, makes everything out of sync. Combined this with mp3 gadget incentive to accelerate big labels dependency on CD sales. Six months top.
All top selling albums suddenly disappear from front page, replaced by hot competitors.
Strategic litigation against key distributors, and fucking with their cash flow at the same time.
combined with PR war, poaching key people, lobbying game, wall street capital game, contract litigation, online hacking attack, etc. They are not going to survive current prolonged economic downturn. Everybody else in the world will help them discreetly since I know no honest person who likes the big labels.
Game over in less than a year.
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Yeah this was always going to happen - the heavy free users were causing the co to haemorrhage cash.
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"Hundreds of Internet radio stations that use SWCast.net for services have been affected by a shutdown triggered by SoundExchange, who claim lack of payment of royalty fees. Apparently SoundExchange has a new president, and this might be a factor in acting on several years of missing payments. In the meantime, SWCast radio stations suffer after paying to legally broadcast."
http://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/11/04/22/1511213/Licensing-Problem-Silences-Internet-Radio-Stations
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New Bill Ups Punishment For Hosts of Infringing Video Streams
"Two months ago, the Obama administration asked Congress to make
illicit online streaming of copyrighted movies and TV shows a felony.
Such a bill has now been introduced by two senators. 'Online streamers can now face up to five years in prison
and a fine in cases where: They show 10 or more "public performances"
by electronic means in any 180-day period; and the total retail value of
those performances tops $2,500 or the cost of licensing such
performances is greater than $5,000.'"
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what's the difference between streaming audio instead of video? hmmm... is it time to turn on plan B already?
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Today, Music Unlimited
announced their new Android application. Music Unlimited is an online
music streaming service that offers over 7 million titles. This
application is open to all Sony Xperia based phones as well as some
third party devices. The application is a free download from the market,
which we will provide below. With the Music Unlimited service, you can
also stream music to your Sony Bravia TV, Blu-ray player, PSP, and PS3.
What's more, Music Unlimited is hooking everyone with a PS3 up with a
180 Day Basic trial for Free! All you have to do is download the Music
Unlimited application to your PS3 (located under the Music icon) and
follow the guided instructions. How do you feel about this service?
http://www.androidguys.com/2011/06/15/music-unlimited-qriocity-app-android/
wait, so now free streaming is OK? lol.
Sorry Sony, you still have to be put to sleep. regardless what you do with music.
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This is about as far back as I went to find a slightly appropriate thread to bump...From GizmodoWhat a Band ReallyMakes from Streaming Sales
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I don't see any way out. After Apple monopolized last chunk of discrete music sale (album/single) in iTune. Everybody else eat crumbs (fringe digital or vinyl or performances)
So post CD music distribution will be in complete domain of electronic industry, patent litigation, large corporate war, technology lock out, etc. Small and medium labels can only survive via small LP sale and performances. For digital, they have to have big lawyers to deal with contract against apple & last 3 major labels.
Even if smaller label can get their act together and organize some internet digital distribution, they are not in control of hardware. So it's pretty much mp3 or nothing.
I still think the only way out is to let the last remaining big 3 label die. Then move on to next technology, whatever it is. (But patent war is going to be nasty, so it will never happen in US ever. since nobody in the far east want to deal with US patent litigation.
Maybe Sony will create true post CD music business, but so far they don't even try. Plus they have bad online reputation. Plus, even Sony is not in the mood for major patent war while creating new standard. (I am sure Apple is already itching suing everybody to protect their iPod turf)
The only bright side to this: the media machine like MTV/Rolling Stones / Clear channel are completely broken as hit machine. The listening population is now completely fragmented. It'll take a genius to ever pump a "genre" onto mass media again. Hell I don't even believe they can create 80's/90's MTV type superstar. They don't even know where the young audience hangs out. nevermind forcing 4 million of them to sit in front of TV to watch some stupid video.
Nobody trust anybody to want to work on this scale of money pit project. so ... whatever we have now is what you got, until some crazy tech company with dough decide to do something to take down apple.
Google is out. Too stupid and slow. No imagination whatsoever. They could have been a contender.
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For 11 years, online radio service Pandora struggled to find an
audience. Now Pandora is far and away the most used online radio
service, and it has a registered user base of more than 100 million
listeners who average 17 hours of monthly listening.So is it too late for a rival to catch up?
Clear Channel Communications
doesn't think so. The nation's largest radio operator — with a base of
237 million listeners and 800 stations in 150 markets — is seriously
beefing up its 3-year-old iHeartRadio service. A major push includes top
superstars Lady Gaga, the Black Eyed Peas and American Idol's Jennifer Lopez and Steven Tyler singing on the service's behalf.http://www.usatoday.com/tech/products/story/2011-09-13/iheart-radio-clear-channel/50393228/1
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