Into Elliot Smith?
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Who?
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http://rawkblog.blogspot.com/2006/01/elliott-smith-lives-definitive-guide.html
my personal favorites of the live shows. most of them have applicable Trash Treasury links. Good place to start, i hope! -
Wow those are good picks Dave!
I followed your advice and I am checking out the 06/02/1998 recording... incredible!
This is what I love about mp3 blogs. I feel like you just told me a secret. -
You might say I have a bit of thing for Elliott Smith...
(my site is named after a song of his)
But, yeah, Trash Treasury is a great resource for ES stuff...and whenever anything "new" comes along (covers, live shows, etc) he usually adds it to the site right away. The guy that runs it is a good guy too (Paul)... -
that Stockholm show should be essential listening for humankind.
the 2000 full band shows are worth checking out, I haven't listened to the ones on Trash Treasury though. He was playing a killer "Don't Fear The Reaper" for a while. -
Anthony, I agree - the main reason I read mp3 blogs is in hopes that someone will post a great live show or a rare bootleg. That's what excites me.
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the main reason I read mp3 blogs is in hopes that someone will post a great live show or a rare bootleg
I'm always fascinated by thngs like this! Because I don't care whatsoever, at all about live recordings of even my favourite bands. It's so interesting how different things jangle with different people. -
Sean - that's interesting indeed. While I stopped caring for live recordings overall, I still really delight in finding quality ones [not so many of those].
Once a guy from Do Make Say Think was talking to me about how it's impossible and futile to capture the essence of live shows with a simple recording and that they should just be enjoyed for what they are in person. He's right, but I don't want to agree. -
I'm in two minds about live shows. There are the obvious exceptions ("Kick Out The Jams" "Live At Falsom Prison") that do manage to capyure a fair bit of the energy and vitriol of the bands/musicians original performance. But there are far too many dull live sets that just sound like the studio albums with dodgy sound and people screaming every time a song finishes.
I think it's largely dependant on the band that the recording is of. If the band's live show is mainly based on musical performance with little to no level of crowd interaction (not a bad thing if you're actually seeing the band) then a live recording is likely to be dull. However with bands that dwell in crowd interaction and generally making their songs sound completely different live, then the set is likely going to be enjoyable when recorded. A fantastic example of this would be from the recent Mclusky C-sides recording. The between song talking is pretty much worth the price of the album alone. -
OTM Eugene. I'd say 90% of live recordings I've listened to don't do much for me. But every once in a while, something really different pops up. A few more of the "obvious exceptions," Talking Heads - Stop Making Sense, Lou Reed - Rock and Roll Animal. The White Stripes - Maida Vale is money as well if you like the White Stripes even a little bit.
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I think a number of bands just sound better live. The Mountain Goats, for instance. I only really care about the live shows I've heard. I buy the albums, but think he just sounds better live than in a studio.
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Weird, but I have this Prodigy recording in true stereo (L and R were recorded properly off the soundboard) and it blows my mind every time I stumble into it on shuffle.
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Well, and the thing is with Elliott Smith, if you started listening to his music after late 2003, you'd never have the chance to see a show of us in person. So, I think in his case, it's doing newer fans a huge service to make his live stuff available as widely as possible. When he was on, he put on some of the best shows I've ever seen...and while a live recording will never wholly capture that, at least it's something.
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yeah, I would be in that group and really regret I didn't discover him earlier. :(
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YOU'RE NO REAL FAN THEN YOU SON OF A BITCH!!!!!
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i promised myself i wouldnt respond to this thread and oops here i go.
i like remembering elliott just the way he was. funny and fiercely independent. but i can't listen to his music anymore.
http://www.elliottsmithbsides.com/BasementIIDemos.htm
if you haven't already heard these, you should -- particularly "almost over" -
*hides*
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oh whaddaya know, all of this stuff is at trashtreasury.com also
im going to go sit in a corner now. -
*sigh*...well at least that site isn't providing full album downloads AND raking in advertising revenue.
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Wait, Wendy, you have a problem with that site too?
Elliott's family has been extraordinarly generous with his music and legacy, and has often given fans at Sweet Addy (official site, bulletin board) permission to post many of those things...so how is that a problem? -
yeah, no one has said a word about not spreading Elliott's recordings or his live shows.
just about all of it is essential and worth nearly much attention as his albums.
on a different note, what i like about live recordings - good ones at least - are how they capture qualities that get lost in the studio. Sam Beam's voice NEVER, EVER sounds as good in the studio as it does live. Same thing with Feist. They're both much more forceful with their performances. -
wendy's point, i think, involved the lack of advertising on the site, pointing out that it was nice to see they weren't profiting from the dead guy's rarities.
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her use of capitalization was pretty snarky.
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Yes, I was being lazy with the capitalization.
Actually Chad, I wasn't aware that the site was run by friends of Elliot Smith's family. If it's cool with them, that's fine. I am just opposed to full-album download sites in general—and I get really mad about f.a.d. sites that ask for donations or who have advertising. -
they're not actually albums, Wendy. it's just unreleased stuff people have compiled.
but yeah anyway. you should download the Basement II sessions, amazing stuff. -
-wendy williams
*sigh*...well at least that site isn't providing full album downloads AND raking in advertising revenue.
Nope :) No selling anything for me! I also followed the Grateful Dead model and am not posting advertisements on the site content pages; you can download pretty much everything you want and never see an ad. The only place I have advertising is inside the forum itself.
Also, it has most definitely not been a profitable experience for me; I haven't seen a single cent of revenue to this point, let alone profit! Really, though, it's all good - it's a fun challenge to run the site, and it feels good to spread the good word about Elliott.
No full albums either; content is restricted to unreleased live performances (audio and video) and unreleased studio recordings.
wendy williams
Yes, I was being lazy with the capitalization.
Actually Chad, I wasn't aware that the site was run by friends of Elliot Smith's family. If it's cool with them, that's fine. I am just opposed to full-album download sites in general—and I get really mad about f.a.d. sites that ask for donations or who have advertising.
I'm not personally a friend or family member of Elliott, just a fan doing my best to preserve what we have left of his legacy :)
sean gramophone
I'm always fascinated by thngs like this! Because I don't care whatsoever, at all about live recordings of even my favourite bands. It's so interesting how different things jangle with different people.
I used to only like studio performances as well, but live shows have really grown on me in the past couple of years; it gives you a whole new perspective on an artist and their music. For a musician like Elliott who was generally a very private person, the live recordings with his banter between songs is one of the few ways you can really get inside his head...
Anthony V
yeah, I would be in that group and really regret I didn't discover him earlier. :(
Yeah, that's a fucking downer. I was lucky enough to have heard of him around 4 years before he died, but I was a dumbass and never bothered to go see him play, because I always thought I'd have another chance later :( -
Paul, I am glad you've stopped by here and I wanted to tell you I really appreciate your labor of love.
It's easy to notice when it is REALLY a labor of love [no smack the monkey banners :P], and I applaud you for taking the time to work on this.
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You're welcome! I'm glad you appreciate it :)
You should swing by the forum sometime and say hello. We've got some cool new features that I think are going to be a big hit, including a kickass profile system that's pretty damn impressive. And, heck, you don't even have to click on any of the ads :D
http://www.trashtreasury.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=27
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